Got these sticks for practice. Also just to see what they were like and thought they would break pretty easily. But they are pretty good. Absolutely nothing to complain about for the price. ordered 4 pairs of the same size i.e. 5B ...the length and diameter of the four pairs are the same, only the tips differ from each pair. That's not an issue since the sticks in the pair have identical tips. Would definitely recommend them whether on a budget or not.